Dr. Xanthe Weston

And these kids are committing serious acts of harm against themselves, against other people.

And they will be the ones held to account when actually we need to be finding out who's organizing it, who's orchestrating it, who's generating it.

these activities.

Absolutely.

It's not.

A lot of the kids who are committing these criminal acts, like as part of these gang, you know, these firebombings, they're vulnerable kids too.

So they're the ones who are maybe not in school.

They may have already had contact with the police.

They may be in out-of-home care.

So they're the ones who already don't have adults who are there protecting them, intervening.

You know, they're already vulnerable.

So they are easier to target and coerce into these activities.

I love my data.

I know, right?

I think we're going to look back in 10 years' time and see the level of harm that's been caused to young people.

I think, I mean, talking to my dear friend and colleague Tim Watson-Monroe when COVID was on, we recognised the harm that was being caused to young people and their social development at the time.

And we knew then that that tale was going to be long.

Like, how is this whole generation of people going to recover?

And also kids, you know, who for years didn't meet any other kids.

How do you then...