Drew Burney

And that's what I always tell people when they're trying to like start, especially a workout routine or something.

All you got to do at first, especially just optimize for just showing up.

Don't nothing beyond that.

Like absolutely nothing beyond that.

Just show up.

Even if you just go to the gym and sit in there for five minutes, that's a win.

Yeah.

That's a minimum viable action right there.

Love Steven, love environmental design stuff, insert the friction where you don't wanna do the behavior, remove friction where you do want to, love all that, that's great.

I think there's a little bit though,

kind of in our industry and just in the larger culture in general, willpower has become a little bit of a bad word.

Like, oh, don't depend on your willpower, right?

It's a depletable resource and you can't depend on it.

It's not reliable.

I agree with all that.

That's true.

But there's still gonna be times where you need to just grit through it and do it.

You were just talking about how do we get ourselves to do things that we don't wanna do, but we know they're good for us.

I think at some point, you're not gonna be able to control your environment completely.

You're not gonna be able to like set up your professional office like Steven wants you to, and it's not always gonna work.