Drew Burney

And he came really to the conclusion that editing out that messy middle, that's one of the quicker ways to get people to quit, to stop changing or to not even try, because we don't see that immediate before and after photo.

We don't see that right away.

And so he said, actually, what we need to do is focus on this part.

And so he came up with like these three phases of change, basically.

Phase one was the ending, the ending of the old you, the old narrative, the old value, right?

Interestingly, though, what he really spent a lot of time on in this is kind of like the grief aspect of that loss, right?

We've talked a little bit about this before, but...

When you change, you have to leave an old identity behind.

You have to leave your old you behind.

That's painful.

There's a sadness that comes with it.

Very much a sadness.

Yeah.

You've experienced this.

Yeah.

You're like that.

I'm never getting that back.

Even narratives and identities that weren't healthy.

It can be very sad to even lose those too.

Totally.