Dulcé Sloan

But...

But...

Yeah, Roy, you know, what makes it worse is that if you read Dr. King's speeches, you'll see that, like, he was opposed to consumerism and wasteful capitalism.

Yeah, Roy, you know, what makes it worse is that if you read Dr. King's speeches, you'll see that, like, he was opposed to consumerism and wasteful capitalism.

You know, it actually is unfortunate, because it seems like some white people are out of touch with Dr. King's legacy.

You know, it actually is unfortunate, because it seems like some white people are out of touch with Dr. King's legacy.

So Roy, we've seen people mess it up, you know, with sales or, you know, with their own agendas. But what is the proper way to celebrate Dr. King's legacy?

So Roy, we've seen people mess it up, you know, with sales or, you know, with their own agendas. But what is the proper way to celebrate Dr. King's legacy?

My guest tonight is an amazing writer at The Atlantic who helped produce a special commemorative issue of the magazine called King, a look at the life and legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. Please welcome Van Newkirk. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Man, I've been a fan of your writing for so long.

My guest tonight is an amazing writer at The Atlantic who helped produce a special commemorative issue of the magazine called King, a look at the life and legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. Please welcome Van Newkirk. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Man, I've been a fan of your writing for so long.

You touch on so many different topics, you know, from Black Panther through to racism in America, the Second Amendment. One of the more interesting conversations that I got started because of your writing was specifically about teachers being armed. And you argued that in its very essence, it goes against the Second Amendment. Why would you make that argument?

You touch on so many different topics, you know, from Black Panther through to racism in America, the Second Amendment. One of the more interesting conversations that I got started because of your writing was specifically about teachers being armed. And you argued that in its very essence, it goes against the Second Amendment. Why would you make that argument?

For what? That's a tyrannical government. Yeah. I never thought of that as an idea. I go, like, but, you know, it's one of those ideas where people go, like, this seems like a good idea because everything leads to more guns. You go, like, just give the people more guns, and then it solves the guns. Because if everyone has a gun, then I guess it means no one has a gun. I don't know how it works.

For what? That's a tyrannical government. Yeah. I never thought of that as an idea. I go, like, but, you know, it's one of those ideas where people go, like, this seems like a good idea because everything leads to more guns. You go, like, just give the people more guns, and then it solves the guns. Because if everyone has a gun, then I guess it means no one has a gun. I don't know how it works.

Well, I give my gun a gun. Yeah, you give your gun a gun. That's the most important, because guns don't kill people. Right. People kill people. What about guns killing guns? I don't think a gun has ever, a gun has killed a gun. I saw that in a movie once. The gun shot the gun, and the gun... Yeah. No one talks about gun-on-gun violence.

Well, I give my gun a gun. Yeah, you give your gun a gun. That's the most important, because guns don't kill people. Right. People kill people. What about guns killing guns? I don't think a gun has ever, a gun has killed a gun. I saw that in a movie once. The gun shot the gun, and the gun... Yeah. No one talks about gun-on-gun violence.

You have an interesting way of looking at the world, and this issue of the Atlantic, I think, looks at Martin Luther King from so many different places and through so many different lenses, which I really found interesting. Martin Luther King is one of those figures in America that I've always felt is mythologized and oftentimes misunderstood, and it feels like you've captured that in this article.

You have an interesting way of looking at the world, and this issue of the Atlantic, I think, looks at Martin Luther King from so many different places and through so many different lenses, which I really found interesting. Martin Luther King is one of those figures in America that I've always felt is mythologized and oftentimes misunderstood, and it feels like you've captured that in this article.

Why did you think it was necessary to have an entire article about Martin Luther King Jr. ?

Why did you think it was necessary to have an entire article about Martin Luther King Jr. ?