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Dwarkesh Patel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

I've noticed that when I'm coding with agents, CodeRabbit catches a lot of mistakes that the models make by default.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

For example, the models have a bad habit of using old versions of libraries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

So in one session, I watch CodeRabbit cache a call to an old model, figure out what the new version was, and then suggest that improvement.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Go to coderabbit.ai to learn more.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Stepping back, a question I have is, you know, when we were walking back and forth at the factory, one of the things we were talking about is, you know, Microsoft, you can think of it as a software business, but now it's really becoming an industrial business.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

There's all this CapEx, there's all this construction.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And if you just look over the last two years,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

It seems like in the short term, you have more credence on things taking a while, being more jagged.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

But maybe in the long term, you think the people who talk about AGI and ASI are correct.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Sam will be right, but eventually.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And I have a broader question about what makes sense for a hyperscaler to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

given that you have to invest massively in this thing which depreciates over five years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

So if you have 20, 40 timelines to the kind of thing that somebody like Sam anticipates in three years, what is a reasonable thing for you to do in that world?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Do you buy, so these labs are now projecting revenues of 100 billion in 27, 28,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And they're projecting revenue keeps growing at this rate of like 3x, 2x a year.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And how do you see this shaking out as you do have this network effect with conditional learning and things on the model level, maybe you have equivalent things at the hyperscaler level as well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And do you expect that the countries will say, look, it's clearly one model or a couple of models are the best.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And so we're going to use them, but we're going to have some laws around, well, the weights have to be hosted in our country, or do you expect that there will be this push to have, it has to be a model trained in our country.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Maybe an analogy here is like people would, you know, the semiconductors is very important to the economy and people would like to have their sort of sovereign semiconductors, but like TSMC is just better.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella โ€” How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And so semiconductors are so important to the economy that you will just go to Taiwan and buy the semiconductors.