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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And make no mistake about it, mass surveillance is nowhere near the top of the highest stakes thing that one could do with AGI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

This is just an example that has come up early in the development of this technology and is giving us a sneak peek at the power dynamics that will be at play.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Now, the military insists that the law already prohibits mass surveillance.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And so Anthropic should let its models be used for, quote, all lawful purposes, end quote.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But of course, as we saw with the Snowden revelations in 2013, even for this very specific example of mass surveillance, the government is very willing to use secret and deceptive interpretations of the law to justify its actions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Remember, what we learned from Snowden was that the NSA, which, by the way, is a part of the Department of War,

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

was using the 2001 Patriot Act to justify collecting every single phone record in America because the argument was that some subset of them might be relevant for a future investigation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And they ran this program for years under a secret court order.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

So when the Pentagon today says, we will never use your models for mass surveillance because it's already illegal, so your red lines are unnecessary, it would be incredibly naive to take that at face value.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

No government is going to call what they are doing mass surveillance.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

For them, it will always have a different euphemism.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

So Anthropic comes back and says, no, we don't trust you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

We want the right to draw these red lines and to refuse you service.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

if we determine that you're breaking the contract and you're breaking the terms of service.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But now think about it from the military's perspective.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

In the future, every single soldier in the field, every single bureaucrat and analyst in the Pentagon, even the generals, are going to be AIs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And on current track, those AIs are going to be provided by a private company.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

I'm guessing that Pete Hegseth is not thinking about Gen AI in those terms.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But sooner or later, the stakes will become obvious, just as after 1945, the stakes of nuclear weapons became obvious to everybody in the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And now a private company insists that it reserves the right to say to you, hey, you're breaking the values and the terms of service that we have embedded in our contract with you, and so we're cutting you off.