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Dwarkesh Patel

šŸ‘¤ Speaker
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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And Ben Thompson writes, quote,

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

If nuclear weapons were developed by a private company, the U.S.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

would absolutely be incentivized to destroy that company.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And honestly, safety-aligned people have made a similar point.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Leopold Aschenbrenner, who is a former guest and, full disclosure, a good friend, wrote in his 2014 memo, Situational Awareness, quote, I find it an insane proposition that the U.S.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

government will let a random SF startup develop superintelligence.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Imagine if we had developed atomic bombs by letting Uber just improvise.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And my response to Leopold's argument at the time and Ben's argument now is, while they're right that it's crazy that we're entrusting private companies with the development of this world historical technology, I just don't think it's an improvement to give that authority to the government.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Nobody's qualified to be the stewards of superintelligence.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

It's a terrifying, unprecedented thing that our species is doing right now.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

The fact that private companies aren't the ideal institutions to deal with this does not mean that the Pentagon or the White House is.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Yes, if a single private company were the only entity capable of building nuclear weapons, the government would not tolerate it having a veto power over how those weapons are used.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But I think this is a terrible analogy for the current situation with AI for at least two important reasons.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

First, AI is not some self-contained weapon like a nuclear bomb, which only does one thing.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Rather, it is more like the process of industrialization itself.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

which is a general-purpose transformation of the whole economy with thousands of applications across every single sector.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

If you applied Ben Thompson or Leopold Lash and Brenner's logic to the Industrial Revolution, which is also world-historically important, it would imply the government had the right to requisition any factory it wanted or destroy any business it wanted and punish and coerce anybody who refused to comply.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But this is just not how free societies handle the process of industrialization.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And it's also not how they should handle AI.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Now, people will say, well, AI will develop unprecedentedly powerful superweapons, superhuman hackers, superhuman bioweapons researchers.