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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

People have proposed different ways of charting how much progress you've made towards full AGI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Because if you can come up with some line, then you can see where that line intersects with AGI and where that would happen on the x-axis.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And so people have proposed, oh, it's like the education level.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Like we had a high schooler and then they went to college with RL and they're going to get a PhD.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I don't like that one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Or then they'll propose horizon length, so maybe they can do tasks that take a minute, they can do those autonomously, then they can autonomously do tasks that take a human an hour, a human a week, etc.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

How do you think about what is the relevant y-axis here?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

How should we think about how AI is making progress?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I wonder with radiologists,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I'm totally speculating.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I have no idea what the actual workflow of a radiologist involves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

But one analogy that might be applicable is when WAMOs are first being rolled out, there'd be a person sitting in the front seat, and you just had to have them there to make sure that if something went really wrong, they're there to monitor.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And I think even today, people are still watching to make sure things are going well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Robotaxi, which was just deployed, actually still has a person inside it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And we could be in a similar situation where

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

If you automate 99% of a job, that last 1% the human has to do is incredibly valuable because it's bottlenecking everything else.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And if it was the case with radiologists where the person sitting in the front of the Uber or the front of the Waymo has to be specially trained for years in order to be able to provide the last 1%, their wages should go up tremendously because they're the one thing bottlenecking wide deployment.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

So radiologists, I think their wages have gone up for similar reasons.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

If you're the last bottleneck, you're like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And you're not fungible, which, like, you know, a Waymo driver might be fungible with other things.