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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

fully autonomous robot armies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And we just can't have private companies developing the technology that will make all this possible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

But you can make the same argument about the Industrial Revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

From the perspective of 17th century Europeans, you've got all kinds of crazy shit in the world today that is a result of the Industrial Revolution.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Chemical weapons, aerial bombardment, not to mention nuclear weapons themselves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And the way we dealt with this is

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

is not giving the government absolute control over the Industrial Revolution, which is to say, over modern civilization itself.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

Rather, we banned and regulated the specific weaponizable end use cases.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And we should regulate AI in a similar way, which is that we should regulate specific destructive use cases.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

For example, launching cyber attacks, things which should be illegal even if a human was doing them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And we should also have laws which regulate how the government can use this technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

For example, by building an AI-powered surveillance state.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

The second reason that Ben's analogy to some monopolistic private nuclear weapons developer breaks down is that it's not just one company that can develop this technology.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

There are many other frontier AI labs that the government could have turned to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

The government's argument that it had to usurp the private property rights of this specific company in order to get access to a critical national security capability is extremely weak if it could have just instead made a voluntary contract with one of Anthropic's half a dozen other competitors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

If in the future that stops being the case, and if only one entity remains capable of building the robot armies and the superhuman hackers, and we have reason to worry that with their insurmountable lead, they could even take over the whole world, then I agree that would be unacceptable for that entity to be a private company.

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And so honestly, I think my crux against the people who argue that AI is such a powerful technology that it cannot be shaped by private hands is just that I expect this technology

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I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

to be very multipolar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And I expect there to be lots of competitive companies at each layer of the supply chain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
I’m glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

And unfortunately, it's for this reason that I don't think that individual acts of corporate courage solve the problem.