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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I personally have tried to get LLMs to be useful in domains which are just pure language in, language out.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Like rewriting transcripts, like coming up with clips based on transcripts, etc.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And you might say, well, it's very plausible that I didn't do every single possible thing I could do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I put a bunch of good examples in context, but maybe I should have done some kind of fine-tuning, whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

So our mutual friend, Annie Matuszak, told me that

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

He actually tried 50 billion things to try to get models to be good at writing spaced repetition prompts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Again, very much language in, language out tasks, the kind of thing that should be dead center in the repertoire of these LLMs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And he tried in-context learning, obviously, with a few short examples.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

He tried, I think, he told me a bunch of things, like supervised fine-tuning and retrieval, whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And he just could not get them to make cards to a satisfaction.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

So I find it striking that even in language out domains, it's actually very hard to get a lot of economic value out of these models separate from coding.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And I don't know what explains it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

How do you think about superintelligence?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Do you expect it to feel qualitatively different from normal humans or human companies?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

roughly speaking.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I guess automation includes the things humans can already do and super intelligence supplies things to humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

But I guess maybe less abstractly and more sort of like qualitatively, do you expect something to feel like, okay, because this thing can either think so fast or has so many copies or the copies can merge back in themselves or is quote unquote much smarter, any number of advantages an AI might have.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

It will qualitatively, the civilization in which these AIs exist will just feel qualitatively different from human civilization.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Let me probe on that a bit.