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Dwarkesh Patel

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Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

It's not clear to me that loss of control and loss of understanding are the same things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

A board of directors at, like, whatever, TSMC, Intel, name a random company, they're just, like, prestigious 80-year-olds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

They have very little understanding.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And maybe they don't practically actually have control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

But...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Or, actually, maybe a better example is the president of the United States.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

The president has a lot of fucking power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I'm not trying to make a good statement about the current operant, but maybe I am.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

But, like, the actual level of understanding is very different from the level of control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

How come?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

I mean, the loss of understanding is obvious, but why a loss of control?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

It is not the fact that they are smarter than us that is resulting in a loss of control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

It is the fact that they are competing with each other and whatever arises out of that competition that leads to the loss of control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Yeah, yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

This is a question I should have asked earlier.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

So we were talking about how currently it feels like when you're doing AI engineering or AI research, these models are more like in the category of compiler rather than in the category of a replacement.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

At some point, if you have quote-unquote AGI, it should be able to do what you do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

And do you feel like having a million copies of You in Parallel results in some huge speed-up of AI progress?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Basically, if that does happen, do you expect to see an intelligence explosion?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

Or even once we have a true HA, I'm not talking about LLMs today, but real HA.