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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

robust out-of-distribution kind of capabilities.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

And so I wonder if the Trek over the next 5-10 years will just be like

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

Each subtask, you have to give it thousands of episodes, and then it's very hard to actually automate much work just by doing subtasks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

So if you think about what a barista does, what a waiter does, what a chef does, very little bit involves just sitting at one station and doing stuff, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

You've got to move around, you've got to restock, you've got to fix the machine, et cetera, go between the counter and the cashier and the machine, et cetera.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

So...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

Will there just be this long tail of things that you had to keep, skills you had to keep, like adding episodes for manually and labeling and seeing how well they did, etc.?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

Or is there some reason to think that it will progress more generally than that?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

I had an example like this when I got a tour of the robots, by the way, at your office.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

So it was folding shorts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

And I don't know if there was an episode like this in the –

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

in the training set, but just for fun, I took one of the shorts and turned it inside out.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

And then it was able to understand that it first needed to get... So first of all, the grippers are just like this, like two limbs, or just a poseable finger and thumb-like thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

And it's actually shocking how much you can do with just that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

Yeah, it understood that it first needed to fold it inside out before folding it correctly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

I mean, what's especially surprising about that is...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

It seems like this model only has one second of context.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

So as compared to these language models, which can often see the entire code base, and they're observing hundreds of thousands of tokens and thinking about them before outputting, and they're observing their own chain of thought for thousands of tokens before making a plan about how to code something up, your model is seeing one image of what happened in the last second.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Fully autonomous robots are much closer than you think – Sergey Levine

And it vaguely knows it's supposed to fold this short.