Dwarkesh Patel

My son's going to become president and my daughter's going to become CEO of Intel and together they're going to have this effect on the world.

But people do have the sense that I think this is appropriate of saying, I'm going to give them good, robust values such that if and when they do end up in positions of power, they do reasonable pro-social things.

And I think maybe a similar attitude towards AI makes sense, not in the sense of we can predict everything that they will do, where we have this plan about what the world should look like in 100 years.

But it's quite important to give them...

robust and steerable and pro-social values pro-social values maybe that's the wrong word are there universal values that we can all agree on

I don't think so, but that doesn't prevent us from giving our kids a good education, right?

Like we have some sense of we want our children to be a certain way.

Yeah.

And maybe process is the wrong word.

Actually, high integrity is maybe a better word.

Where if there's a request or if there's a goal that seems harmful, they will refuse to engage in it.

Or they'll be honest.

Things like that.

And we have some sense that we can...

teach our children things like this, even if we don't have some sense of what true morality is or everybody doesn't agree on that.

And maybe that's a reasonable target for AI as well.

The more things change, the more they stay the same also seems like a good capstone to the AI discussion because the AI discussion we were having was about how techniques which were invented even before the application to deep learning and backpropagation was evident are central to the progression of AI today.

So maybe that's a good place to wrap up the conversation.

Thank you for coming on.

My pleasure.