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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

like having a council of the CEOs of all of the organizations that employees work for when your corporation also supplies your social safety net and you see your representation there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

It's also a world that's used to thinking in terms of hierarchy and very unused to thinking about real democracy and that really doesn't have any confidence in what we would recognize as democracy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

We talk about these republics and we're very excited by the fact that they give more power to the people than a monarchy does.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

But they're still incredibly narrow oligarchic republics.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

So one thing when we read Machiavelli, he talks a lot about the popolo, right, which we translate as the people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

And he talks about how important it is that the Popolo are respected and the Popolo have a voice and that the Popolo are armed and the government shows respect for the people by allowing the people to be armed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

And we read this and we're like, yeah, this feels really familiar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

This feels like documents of the founding of the U.S.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

where we're respecting and arming and trusting the people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

Popolo meant the top 4% economically of the population, the members of the merchant guilds.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

That's the Popolo.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

He's talking about a narrow slice oligarchy being heard, a narrow slice oligarchy being respected.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

We didn't realize that in the 19th century when we were excitedly translating the prints and reading it as quasi-democratic.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

We now have read more documents of the period and realize how people use these words today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

And then there's a gradual takeover, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

There's a gradual what we could call regulatory capture.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

But an interesting detail about Florence, even as the Medici take over, is that the Medici know the people of Florence are very deeply invested in this republic and very deeply invested in its institutions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

And we have to, therefore, respect those institutions and proclaim respect for those institutions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

So we're going to sustain people in the named offices that there used to be.

Dwarkesh Podcast
How cosplaying Ancient Rome led to the scientific revolution

And we're going to continue to let the guilds be important and have important offices.