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Dwarkesh Patel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
14445 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

First, pair the layers into 48 different blocks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And second, put those blocks in the right order.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

For pairing, Sean realized that in a well-trained resonant, the product of two weight matrices in a residual block should have a distinctive negative diagonal pattern.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And this arises as a way for the model to keep the residual stream from growing out of control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

From this insight, he was able to recover the right pairings.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

For ordering, Sean noticed that the model seemed to improve if he sorted the blocks by the size of their residual contributions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Starting with that rough approximation, he combined a clever ranking heuristic with local swaps to recover the exact right order.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

His full walkthrough is linked in the description.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Don't worry if you didn't get to this puzzle in time, though.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

There's still one up about backdoor LLMs that even Jane Street doesn't know how to solve.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

You can find it at janestreet.com slash thwarkash.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

All right, back to Terrence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

Okay, so I think this brings us nicely to

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

the progress that from the outside, it seems like AI for math is making.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And I think you had a post recently where you pointed out that over the last few months, AI programs have solved 50 out of the 1100 odd for those problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

But then I think, I don't know if it's still correct, but as of a month ago, you said that there had been a pause because the low hanging fruit had been picked.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

First of all, I'm curious if actually that is still the case that

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

we have picked a low-hanging fruit and now we're at this plateau currently.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

So there's two different ways to think through what you've just said.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Terence Tao โ€“ Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

And one of them is more bearish on AI progress and one of them is more bullish and bearish on being, oh, they're only getting to a certain height of wall, which is not as high as humans are reaching.