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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

All right, back to Satya.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

I guess I have a question even stepping back from this of, okay, I take your point that it's a better business to be in all else equal to have

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

a long tail of customers who can have higher margin from rather than just serving bare metal to a few labs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

But then there's a question of, okay, which way is the industry evolving?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And so if we believe we're on the path to smarter and smarter AIs, then why isn't the shape of the industry that the open AIs and anthropics and deep minds are the platform which the long tail of

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

enterprises are actually doing business with, where they need bare metal, but they are the platform.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

What is the long tail that is directly using Azure?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Because you want to use the general kind of core.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

So you mentioned how you're depreciating this asset that's five, six years, and this is the majority of the 75% of the TCO data center, and Jensen is taking a 75% margin on that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

So what all the hyperscalers are trying to do is develop their own accelerator so that they can reduce this overwhelming cost for equipment to increase the margins.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

Speaking of rights, one thing, you had an interview a couple of days ago where you said that we have rights to the new agreement you made with OpenAI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

You have rights, the exclusivity to...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

the stateless API calls that OpenAI makes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And we were sort of confused about if there's any state whatsoever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

I mean, you were just mentioning a second ago that all these complicated workloads that are coming up are going to require memory and databases and storage and so forth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

And is that now not stateless if ChatGPT is storing stuff on sessions?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

So as Satya explained, as AI agents get more capable, you're going to need more and more observability into what they're doing.