Dwarkesh Patel

But we would still have hockey sticked, right?

In the same way that when you put mice on an island without mice, they breed and they breed and they breed and they breed and they hockey stick.

Humans would also have hockey sticked.

But would we have hockey sticked later?

Would we have hockey sticked with more pain, right?

When mice hockey stick, they also starve to death and eat each other.

We haven't done that yet.

Go us.

Was that science?

Probably.

And so there are a lot of factors to it.

So is it true that everything accelerated after 1620?

In one sense, yes.

In another sense, it's a continuation of a curve that was already curving.

Guido Ruggiero.

But another is we cannot underestimate how much richer per square meter Italy is than everywhere else.

Italy is the breadbasket.

And it's also the center of big oil, which is to say big olive oil, which is both fuel oil for light and industrial oil for production, as well as cooking and eating oil.

and the other major, major industry of the period, which is big wool.

If you're already the center of big finance, big wool, and big oil, do you need an industrial revolution?