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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And then the million copies of this automated ILLIA can go figure out how to solve robust and efficient learning from experience.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

This just gives me the vibes of that old joke, we're losing money on every sale, but we'll make it up in volume.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Somehow this automated researcher is going to figure out the algorithm for AGI, which is a problem that humans have been banging their head against for the better half of a century, while not having the basic learning capabilities that children have.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

I find this super implausible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Besides, even if that's what you believe, it doesn't describe how the labs are approaching reinforcement learning from verifiable reward.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

You don't need to prebake in a consultant skill at crafting PowerPoint slides in order to automate ILIA.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

So clearly, the lab's actions hint at a worldview where these models will continue to fare poorly at generalization and on-the-job learning, thus making it necessary to build in the skills that we hope will be economically useful beforehand into these models.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Another counterargument you can make is that even if the model could learn these skills on the job, it is just so much more efficient to build in these skills once during trading rather than again and again for each user and each company.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And look, it makes a ton of sense to just bake in fluency with common tools like browsers and terminals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And indeed, one of the key advantages that AGIs will have is this greater capacity to share knowledge across copies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

But people are really underrating how much company and context-specific skills are required to do most jobs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And there just isn't currently a robust, efficient way for AIs to pick up these skills.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

I was recently at a dinner with an AI researcher and a biologist.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And it turned out the biologist had long timelines.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And so we were asking about why she had these long timelines.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And then she said, one part of work recently in the lab has involved looking at slides and deciding if the dot in that slide is actually a macrophage or just looks like a macrophage.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And the AI researcher, as you might anticipate, responded, look, image classification is a textbook deep learning problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

This is death center in the kind of thing that we could train these models to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And I thought this is a very interesting exchange because it illustrated a key crux between me and the people who expect transformative economic impact within the next few years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Human workers are valuable precisely because we don't need to build in these schleppy training bloops for every single small part of their job.