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Dwarkesh Patel

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Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And the reason that labs are orders of magnitude off this figure right now is that the models are nowhere near as capable as human knowledge workers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Now, you might be like, look, how can the standard have suddenly become labs have to earn tens of trillions of dollars of revenue a year, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Like, until recently, people were saying, can these models reason?

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Do these models have common sense?

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Are they just doing pattern recognition?

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And obviously, AI bulls are right to criticize AI bears for repeatedly moving these goalposts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And this is very often fair.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

It's easy to underestimate the progress that AI has made over the last decade.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

But some amount of GoPro shifting is actually justified.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

If you showed me Gemini 3 in 2020, I would have been certain that it could automate half of knowledge work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And so we keep solving what we thought were the sufficient bottlenecks to AGI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

We have models that have general understanding, they have few-shot learning, they have reasoning, and yet we still don't have AGI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

So what is a rational response to observing this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

I think it's totally reasonable to look at this and say, oh, actually, there's much more to intelligence and labor than I previously realized.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And while we're really close and in many ways have surpassed what I would have previously defined as AGI in the past, the fact that model companies are not making the trillions of dollars in revenue that would be implied by AGI clearly reveals that my previous definition of AGI was too narrow.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And I expect this to keep happening into the future.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

I expect that by 2030, the labs will have made significant progress on my hobby horse of continual learning, and the models will be earning hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue a year.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

But they won't have automated all knowledge work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

And I'll be like, look, we made a lot of progress, but we haven't hit AGI yet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

We also need these other capabilities.