Dwarkesh

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1,722 appearances 5 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2025 last heard 25 Nov

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The AIs are going to be solving alignment because they want to align.
Even if they're misaligned, they want to align their successors.
So they're going to be working on that.
And we have kind of these two competing curves.
Like, can we...
get the AI to give us a solution for alignment before our control of the AI fails so completely that they're either going to hide their solution from us or deceive us or screw us over in some other way.
That's another thing where I don't even feel like I have any idea of the shape of those curves.
I'm sure if it were Daniel or Eli, they would have already made like five supplements on this.
But for me, I'm just kind of,
agnostic as to whether we get to that alignment solution, which in our scenario, I think we focus on mechanistic interpretability.
Once we can really understand the weights of an AI on a deep level, then we have a lot of alignment techniques open up to us.
I don't really have a great sense of whether we get that before or after the AI has become completely uncontrollable.
I mean, a big part of that relies on the things we're talking about.
How smart are the labs?
How carefully do they work on controlling the AI?
How long do they spend making sure the AI is actually under control and the alignment plan they gave us is actually correct rather than something they're trying to use to deceive us?
All of those things I'm completely agnostic on, but that leaves a pretty big chunk of probability space where we just do okay.
And I admit that my PDoom is literally just PDoom and not PDoom or oligarchy.
So...
that 80% of scenarios where we survive contains a lot of really bad things that I'm not happy about, but I do think that we have a pretty good chance of surviving.
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