Dwayne Kerrigan

In my head, it was lower.

Yeah, and the lesson there for the listeners is constant and never-ending innovation is my takeaway.

Yeah, 100%.

Okay, I have to ask you guys.

Has there been a time where you're like, you guys have...

Without swearing, John, like, go after yourselves.

I'm leaving you or just leave me here or piss off.

Like, I'm dying to know.

And that to me, guys, like that story right there is I think what teared me up because I can feel myself getting emotional about it.

When I was reading and preparing for this podcast, that was what was hitting me so much was the humanity in what you guys are doing.

These small lessons inside of our relationships that teach us about humanity is a lot of times what's missing in the world.

And you guys are sharing it through stories like that, which I think is supremely powerful.

It's on one side, it's all, it's entertaining conversation and hearing the story, but it's like, it is, it's the prime definition of humanity.

And these are the things that so many intimate relationships lack.

And that's the cause of marriage breakdown and family, you know, and all that stuff.

And if we just take those moments,

to put ourselves in other people's places.

It's powerful.

I think you guys, I don't want to call it mentorship, but the Hoyt family, which is a father-son duo,

Do you mind just sharing the stories, like anything that's significant about enabling the help of others?