Dylan

This is the next phase in my therapeutic work.

No, I don't.

Today's date is the 17th day of September 2014. The time is approximately 6.50 p.m. This will be an interview with Dylan Adams.

Dylan, again, nods.

Gideon Bernstein, through his own investigation, found out that there was communication on the Snapchat application. And so he was able to message, through direct messaging, Sam Woodward.

When I first saw the missing persons report and I was reading the details, some of those details definitely stuck out. So something told me just deep within me that this was unusual. So my then partner investigator Jack Ackerman and I went to the park probably right around lunchtime on January 4th.

I'm looking for eye contact. I'm looking for his general comfortability to try to gain a sense whether somebody I feel is telling me the truth or telling me a lie.

At some point, somebody exits the car, right? Did he tell you where he was going?

but I wanted him to feel comfortable talking to me. And he was.

I'm trying to record it right now. There was a large team that was deployed into the field, and we followed him anywhere that he went.

There was an immediate firestorm of attention to this case. We were absolutely inundated with tips from the public. There were hundreds within the first week, and then that grew exponentially.

Immense pressure to perform.

Jack and I were teamed up. Jack said, Dylan. You heard it in his voice. I could hear it in his voice.

We utilized cadaver dogs. We utilized drones. We had been to Borrego Park and searched that park over and over again with a fine-tooth comb.

Yeah, it led us to this particular area when all of a sudden Blaze Bernstein's phone at that point in time turned off.

Blaze goes dark and then Sam Woodward's phone continues. There was a torrential downpour. It was cold, it was raining, everything was wet, everything was muddy. We searched all this area, all this area, until my partner Jack and I came to this area right here.

You knew. Had to be him. Instantly. In my gut. Without even seeing the face. And I knew that it was Blaise Bernstein.

We located a broken cell phone about probably six inches, eight inches below where the body was found.

The autopsy revealed injuries which I believe were a result of an extremely violent encounter. Blaze was stabbed 14 times in the left side of his neck, five times in the right side of his neck. He was stabbed in the knee. He had defensive wounds all over his fingers. He was fighting for his life in probably a surprise attack.

Hate and rage. Intimate. It was an intimate killing.

A lot of anger somewhere from within, and he took it out on Blaise Bernstein.

Not only was this just a murder, now we're starting to see a bigger picture.

Sam said he was involved with a fight club. He said that he sustained these cuts to his hands after somebody was clawing at him during one of the fights.

I've heard of fight clubs, but I just, I didn't believe it. Any time that Sam Woodward was walking around the station, when he touched the doorknobs, he would cover his hands with the sleeves of his sweatshirt. As he attempting to cover up fingerprints, as he attempting to cover up DNA, it was definitely something that stood out.

The knife that was found in Sam Woodward's room, the areas of the vehicle that had apparent blood in it, the sleeping bag that was found on the side of Sam Woodward's home, they were all tested for DNA, and those results concluded to be the blood from Blaise Bernstein.

Not only was this murder, we're starting to see a bigger picture. It was absolutely shocking.

Race war now!

That organization was hell-bent on destroying America within, taking down the system,

When we executed the search warrants on several electronic devices, including computers and cell phones and laptops, there were thousands of images of white supremacist propaganda and hundreds and hundreds of images to include the Atomwaffen division.

Now we're starting to see a bigger picture. Not only was this just a murder, there's a high probability that Sam Woodward killed Blaise Bernstein because he was homosexual, possibly because he was Jewish, or a combination of both.

He had in his possession what looked like a spray bottle of cleaning product.

It was very strange to us. What was he cleaning? Why?

And there was an immediate firestorm of attention to this case.

and that's when the whole evening changed. Blaise Bernstein's phone at that point in time turned off and I had no more records.

So my question for you is, how do I work on myself without jeopardizing my wife and my kids?

So I am currently going to therapy and trying to work on some issues. And I've recently quit drinking and trying to work on being more present and being a better husband and father. But I just worry that going through this and all the anxiety with that, I still find myself not being the nicest version of myself. And I don't know how to work on that without...

38.

It helped with something that early. Turn down the volume on everything. Just kind of making everything a little more manageable. Okay.

Um, my childhood, I had kind of a, a silent, uh, hell.

I went to work in the oil field, uh, pretty much right out of high school. I did a little bit of college, but didn't, uh, didn't really get anywhere with that. And, uh, I've had a steady job at the same place for most of my life, actually. About 16 years of those 20, I've been at the same place. Been riding the roller coaster?

We've been married 10 years. She truly is the love of my life. We are in it for the long haul. She is my ride or die. That's awesome. And vice versa. Very cool. Why did you decide to quit drinking? I just... I didn't want to model that life for my boys. I didn't want them to, to grow up drinking and thinking that that's the way to, to solve your problems.

Um, it got to the point where in the past I've kind of like self detonated everything and I've got too much now to, to just, um, blow everything up and walk away. Paint me a picture of self detonating. Um, in the past I've quit my job, um, just folded into myself and just kind of disappeared. Okay. Do you disappear in a bottle? Um, not all the time.

I just would isolate and just kind of really just go inward. Okay. So what's a, what's a counselor doing for you? Not a whole lot at the moment, just a whole lot of sitting and talking and not really a whole lot practical. What do you hope to get from seeing a counselor? To be able to go through life without just feeling like I'm holding on to an electric fence all the time. Okay.

That sounds like you want peace inside your chest.

What happened to me as a kid?

I was sexually abused for about seven years.

He went off to the military, and he finally left me alone. Okay.

Oh, yeah. The crazy busy and the Absolute nothing.

The black hole.

I've asked for that because I've been listening. Okay. And it was blown off. I said, I want to know where we're at, where we're going, and I want to be doing something. And it just fell by the wayside.

One of my questions is, how do I handle sobriety on a trip? I'm trying to reconnect and trying to be a better husband. And so I'm, I'm, we, I booked a trip for us to go out of town for Valentine's. Yes. Okay. And I don't know how to fit sobriety into that because so much of our, of my life was getting to that point. I wasn't a day drinker.

I would wait till the evenings, but it was still a problem. I was, I mean, I'm not any better than anybody else, but I, on vacation, used to tend to let go a little more to have fun, and I don't know how to balance that. And I don't know if there are good meetings in Nashville because that's where we're headed. So I don't know what to do.

Hey, I just had a quick question for you both. I'm assuming, John, you'll be able to answer this a little better, but you might. Hey, I'm just kidding. Way smarter than me. Well, see how it goes. So it would seem that my mom is boycotting my rehearsal and my rehearsal dinner because I changed a small plan.

So I'll run it quick. So, you know, back months ago when we gave them the opportunity to kind of plan the dinner, It's not what we wanted originally. We told them, you know, we just wanted to have pizza and go back to the Airbnb and just have a good time with the bridal party.

Well, my mom absolutely insisted on paying for this and making, you know, a big dinner and we go out and all this and that. And obviously, you know, listening to you guys, I try to save as much money as possible. But she wasn't on board with that. And, you know, I gave her the opportunity for months and months and months. And a few days ago, I talked to her.

and told her i'm like hey we're really thinking about switching back to our original plan and i was like i'll give you a few days to uh figure it out well i just waited one day and i was like you know what i should do what i really want to do it's my special day you know and my yeah of course my fiance's too but um and i decided i'm like hey this is what we're going to do instead um so you know i didn't see this coming but i didn't see this coming but

Well, just because it's originally not what we wanted. I should add to this, too. She started inviting a bunch of people that we didn't want there. There it is. Lead with that, brother. Lead with that. That wasn't the biggest issue, I don't think. It's that she didn't really respect that we originally wanted to do something else. That's how I took it.

As in?

You know, I'm not going to go as far as that, but it's not a possibility.

Oh, I've said it a few times.

I'm hoping.

Yeah, I actually spoke to him today, and he just initially, you know, it's the first time. Also, keep in mind, my mother won't talk to me at all. She will not talk to me. Of course.

Oh, you know. Yeah, absolutely. You're ripping her heart out. But I did speak to my dad this morning, and he was saying that she just feels hurt and that it doesn't have anything to do with the dinner, which I don't believe because this kind of stuff has happened before, which she doesn't get her way in this, which I don't believe.

Oh, of course, yeah. I mean, obviously, he has to take her side in most cases, and I don't blame him. But, yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no, I spoke to him.

I was at her house yesterday.

Yeah.

Oh, I told him that. I told him that this morning when I spoke to him. I'm like, if the worst-case scenario happens, I'm like, please, Dad, be at my wedding. Yes. Like, at the very least. I'm like, yeah, so. Yeah, no, it's pretty crazy. I hate it for you. I hate it for you. I appreciate it. Thank you, though. But, yeah, that was pretty much it. I appreciate you guys.

Yeah, so I have fallen into the personal loan trap.

Man, it's so easy, it seems like. Oh.

No, to fall for the predatory stuff like interest rates and stuff.

So I got a trip, like actually last year in July with my mom to Boston. It was a 4th of July trip, and I took out a loan for that.

I am actually 40. I turned 40 in February.

So I used it for other stuff. There we go.

Yeah, I got you.

About $30,000. Okay.

I make 85,000 was what I made last year.

It's all personal loans.

No, I don't have credit cards at all.

It's quite a bit, actually. I looked. It was like one was like 300%.

That is fair.

Yes.

Agreed.

Yes, there is truth to that.

Yes.

It is like $500.

I have $100 in, so I have a credit union as well with the company.

And I have $200 in there.

Yes, I've signed up for overtime.

Just a car, but it's paid off.

Thank you.

Wait, Gretchen, my life started when you came here.

No, I have nothing else. I have this and I have fucking pencil erasers.

Oh, wait, wait.

Hi, Adam. Hi, Ben. You know, what I always say, A, B are the first two letters of the alphabet, and you're the first two people I think of when I think about doing this podcast. Anyway, here we are back to talk about my predictions for the next episode of Severance.

Now, my predictions so far, I've been trying to base them off of what's happening in the episode, and I haven't really been nailing it. But this show is so detailed. It's so complex. There are so many things going on. I have a feeling I need to be looking behind that. So... Next time on Severance. Here we have Episode 9, which is the penultimate episode of the season.

And I think you're trying to tell us something, which is the next episode of the season is going to be all about pens. I think the innies are going to pause what they're doing... Everyone's going to go to the supply closet and they're going to test out every pen in there until they find the best one. That's right. We got ourselves a pen episode. I hope you all like it. I know you will.

And make sure to contact Ben, contact Adam. Let them know what's your favorite brand of pen and what would you write with it if you had to write something but only had 10 seconds.

How is our culture of music is so different than how rap used to be like 10 years ago? Yeah. I feel like people in label systems and shit are still thinking like how it used to be and they're not really hit to the new ways the kids are doing with music, the new sounds and everything's palatable enough. Like, what do you think about? Cause you made experimental shit.