Ed Calderon

So there's these military forces that are in part corrupted.

And then the cartel, which operates with violence, somehow finding a balance between each other.

It just feels like throughout human history, there's dictators or leaders that come into situations like this and really crack down on the violence.

It seems like that's not happening.

It seems like there's a kind of market of violence happening here.

That could be just bureaucratic dysfunction.

And that's the craft of leadership, the craft of business, the craft of which aspect of the craft?

And he somehow is...

Operating in the shadows.

So he's not a known entity.

What's it like to be a journalist in that?

So can a journalist have a conversation with him and live?

Do you think it's possible...

to go in there and have a conversation with a cartel leader or somebody like me, for somebody like Sean Penn.

I disagree.

I think they're just more sensitive, realizing that there has to be a deep trust.

It's not just anybody and not any high profile.

I've gotten a chance to speak

There's some very high profile leaders that don't speak to journalists and they understand the value of trust.

You don't think there's a human aspect to this, of a human being wanting their story to be known?