Ed Calderon

Like you said, eye contact is a super interesting one because I found in my own life, like not making eye contact is, other people would be joking, but it's a really powerful way to deescalate.

And there's such a fascinating thing though, because you could talk about drunk fights that are just, that are harmless, right?

But I feel like the same dynamic applies to the most violent conflict, including wars.

I feel like ego is part of this.

So to me, the question of conflict, whether it's a street fight or anything else, is the calculus of are you willing to take an L in terms of psychology?

Somebody grabs your wife's ass, you mentioned.

boy, if you let that happen, you go home, you're gonna have to pay the price of you were the person who didn't defend you.

Like in your relationship, you didn't defend your wife's honor.

You're gonna psychologically pay that price yourself.

And depending on your wife, she might secretly also lose a little bit of respect for you.

Now, how do you play that calculus?

Because now we see the war in Ukraine,

I would say there is elements of similar posturing in the United States, in Europe, in Ukraine, Russia, China leadership.

At a macro level.

At a geopolitics, it's still somebody grabs somebody's ass.

And you're not backing down.

apply to ourselves.

So in general, you think conflict, ultimately, the people that are doing conflict are looking for weakness?

I feel like there's several motivations, but isn't there also a power hierarchy motivation as well?

Like you, there's something about the big guy that tempts you to...