Ed Calderon

What's the relationship between religious culture and drug culture?

So that gives you strength and meaning in the face of struggle?

Like in the face of difficulties in life?

There's some aspect in which you don't want to mess with a person who meditates on death.

Oh, man, that's pretty symbolic.

So it's just not something that can be killed.

It's a part of the spirit of the people.

So to you, it's a mechanism to meditate on death once again.

So I've got to ask you about the dark turn of that spirituality.

Or maybe you'll place this elsewhere, but who was Adolfo Costanzo, El Padrino?

I mean, he kills a lot of people.

Do you think he believed the, so this guy's murdering people to create what, magical potions?

Vessels, yeah.

Vessels.

And there was a culture that's spiritually inclined that kind of,

was on the same wavelength as him.

There's a fascinating dynamic at play here.

So it's not just the United States and Mexico, it's also China that you talk about.

China is the primary source of fentanyl in the world.

So fentanyl is an opioid that leads to 70,000 plus or minus overdose deaths in the US every year.