Ed Elson

And that to me is a big question.

It's like, you've got the guy leaving at probably the most important moment for this company.

The AI, the new technology has arrived.

He's decided to make this very big decision to not invest in that technology.

And then he's just leaving.

and giving it to the grandson.

And yet investors seem to be somewhat okay with that.

I kind of would have expected they would have been more nervous about that.

Yeah, he's older, but not too old.

It's a nice place, nice time to go.

You mentioned 50th anniversary.

Both of you guys have studied the history of this company for a long time.

Patrick, when you look at all of the big moments for Apple in Apple's history, starting with Steve Jobs, the Mac, the iPhone, Tim Cook comes along, the expansion to China, now this.

Where does this rank for you in terms of important moments that defined the company?

Waiting for the TARDIS moment.

That's a good place to end.

Patrick McGee, award-winning journalist and author of Apple in China, the Capture of the World's Greatest Company.

Tripp Mikkel, tech reporter for The New York Times, author of After Steve, How Apple Became a Trillion Dollar Company and Lost Its Soul.

Tripp and Patrick, this was awesome.

Thanks so much for joining me.