Ed Husain

The best way to approach the Muslim Brotherhood is to see it as an ideology.

If Mecca, the UAE, Egypt and other Muslim countries can reject them and de-radicalize their population, what stops us from saying we too will reject what came out of Nazism and Marxism here in the West?

Yes.

That's a statement of fact.

Isn't that suicidal, Ed?

That's how the strategy started in the 1980s.

It's suicidal because they thought they could contain it.

If it admits what you've just asked them, Francis, to admit, it means, A, they're responsible, and B, they must do something about it.

Konstantin Francis, thank you for having me.

Great question.

And thank you to both of you for having such an interesting or an interested approach to all this global issue, because it's relevant in almost every country and it's going to become even more relevant in the years ahead.

But as you rightly identified, Constantine, we've got to go back and we have to go back to 1928 when the movement started.

And it is a movement and not an organization.

And I think too often, too many of our political leaders

leaders make the mistake of thinking, where is the organization, where is its postcode, and how do we ban it?

It's a wider movement.

It plays a certain mood music, and it started in 1928 in Egypt for the following reasons.

The founder was a primary school teacher.

Nothing against you, Francis.

But he was a primary school teacher in Egypt, and he...