Ed Husain

It may, oh, I hope it won't grow.

But why wouldn't it grow?

Because I think to part of your point, American Muslims are much more integrated.

They're much more patriotic.

It's easier to be loyal to the constitution.

I mean, in the UK, what are we supposed to be loyal to?

Yes, this is a huge problem.

The Englishness problem, which you write about in your book.

So there is this...

How do you become English?

You've dealt with this, right?

The Englishness versus Britishness debate that keeps coming up.

Whereas here, it's actually easier.

So that, I think, is a massive bonus on the side of this country.

I also think, and I say this as someone who loves England,

I just think there's a cynicism in the UK when it comes to liberty or freedom or defense of the realm or the greatness of British history or the potential for what the country can become again.

And you see that written all over Keir Starmer's face, right?

He's just never quite sure as to what to say and looks like a rabbit caught in the headlines constantly.

That doesn't exist here.

There's an openness.