Ed Husain

In my head, I've been thinking about this just because I've been reading lots of Nietzsche, hence that point on willpower, having the political will.

Nietzsche touches on this, Hegel's obsessed with this, and the Germans try to identify, but we, in the kind of

more empirical way of looking at the world don't, which is understanding the spirit, understanding souls, and why is there a spirit-led impulse to this arrogance?

Why is there a spirit that says, we must be superior, we must be better, we must confront?

And why is there a spirit or a temperament that's much more conciliatory, that's much more peaceful, which I think was the prophet spirit, which is much more given to coexistence versus... So that part, call it psychology, call it the psyche, you know,

we don't touch on because we're not comfortable discussing it, and there's no way of us measuring it, so we don't go there.

But I think behind everything we're discussing is a certain spirit of how are we to be, is a certain psyche.

And I see this in Arabia with some of the leaders of the Arabian countries.

You see that they're not just looking at you as an individual.

They're actually assessing your psychological state of being.

And they're able to x-ray us as individuals and what's going on in our minds in a way that when we talk to one another, we don't.

We're kind of judging each other by what we're saying and what we're doing rather than what we're feeling and what we're being.

I think that's something we don't talk about often.

How do we elevate our sense of... The closest, I think, is empathy.

It's a weak closeness, but it's an attempt at answering your tough question, Francis.

Without doubt.

Two individuals come to my mind right now.

Because the two individuals I'm referencing, I knew them when I was with the Muslim Brotherhood.