Ed Ludlow

But at the same time, use the time in between for diplomatic efforts, because I think we should solve this diplomatically.

How has Netherlands been involved in that diplomatic outreach to the Trump administration?

Well, we are involved in the EU, and we are involved in a lot of ways.

And, of course, the Secretary General of the NATO is also a Dutchman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Are you aware of that?

I mean, do you feel like if you text now a U.S.

official that it might become, you know, public knowledge?

Yeah, no, I don't think anybody expected that.

But anyway, it happened.

But I think we are involved because we always have a very strong transatlantic bond.

We have a big trade relationship with the United States.

We consider the United States as a big friend of ours.

But at the same time, I mean, this is not the way we have to create a friendship with import tariffs.

That's very difficult.

You are sounding optimistic, though, that there is an off-ramp.

Do you think the European Union should use the anti-coercion rule?

Well, we should look into every measure we can take if the import tariffs are being implemented the 1st of February.

But at the same time, we should try to prevent it from happening and find a solution for the Arctic security.

Right now you're joining me.