Einar Volsett

They gave like

I think Airbnb got, I'm going to guess $30,000, something like that.

And so they give you just a little bit of money because you don't need half a million or a million dollars in order to do something like this.

And Airbnb showed you didn't.

And you could just go out, do something, focus for three months, build, launch, and go from there.

And they were obviously hugely successful with that model.

Now,

what we saw was that there's a lot of companies in and around microconf and in those type of environments where what happens is someone is a consultant and they go along and they either see a problem that they have or a client has and they decide i should you know either they've been asked to do something repeatedly like you know fix this problem again and again

Or they sort of scratch their own itch in that regard.

And they don't build, launch, and get a couple of paying customers into their customer.

But the problem is they're not...

making enough money so that they can quit their day job or quit consulting full-time, you know?

So, I mean, the sort of poster boy for this is, is, is Nathan Barry.

Do you know Nathan that convert kit?

Well, the difference is this.

There's hardly any way you can get money if you tried.

Like, so Hootsuite is slightly different, I guess, but they already had a big vision.

Is that how you raise money?

No.

My point is this, and maybe this has changed, but right now, if you wanted to come and you wanted to raise money, I mean, not right, let's say six months ago before things got crazy.