Einar Volsett

There's no doubt about that.

But if you go outside the sort of software startup world and you go talk to the world's best lawyers, do they know who Paul Graham is?

No idea.

It doesn't matter.

Your relationship to Paul Graham or who he is or whatever doesn't matter at all.

And I think that's true for every single industry.

I'm sure it's true for lawyers too.

I'm sure there are like superstar lawyers that every single lawyer knows and wants to become, but you wouldn't know who they are.

I have no idea.

Uh, no, not really.

It's just more like, my point is more like these people, like people do what everyone around them typically does.

And that's how you end up on a given path.

And I think it's actually quite unusual to stop and go, and this is probably why I like startup people, because usually they've had to do that in order to decide to become startup people, you know?

Most people I know who are in the startup world, they have a brother or friends or most of their friends and family aren't in startups.

They became accountants or lawyers or construction crew or whatever.

And it's the person who had to sort of stop and say, you know, I want to do this completely different thing, much higher risk.

And yeah, I think that's special.

So that definitely wasn't the transition.

The transition to Cornell was sort of a step up because Newcastle is a great university, but Cornell is a top five, top 10 university in the world in computer science.

And so it was for me, it was sort of a step up to sort of the next level.