Elena

Oh.

So it was like he was just manipulating her for money, huh?

Yeah.

Which that makes me think... It was Lizzie, perhaps.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

Don't come after us, Lizzie.

Yeah, Lizzie from the 1800s.

Whatever the case, Hopkins and Lizzie were married and Lizzie became pregnant pretty soon after.

Oh, I don't love that just because of the situation that we have at hand.

Yeah, and she eventually gave birth to a boy, Charles Jr.,

And she appears to have possibly suffered from either postpartum depression or maybe just a worsening of her like symptoms that she already had.

Yeah.

According to her sister Martha, she never, and this is a quote, she never acted right after her boy was born.

She acted so strangely that sometimes I would be frightened.

I didn't know what ailed her.

Because obviously they didn't know anything about this.

Yeah, that's scary.

During this period, Lizzie claimed to experience, among other things, quote, singing in her ears and seeing lights around the house that no one else could see.

That feels like more than just postpartum.