Elena

Yeah.

It's very Jeffrey Dahmer-esque.

I would be very interested, and maybe we should do it at some point, to compare and contrast the two of them.

Yeah.

Because they seem to have the same desperate need to keep... Because Jeffrey Dahmer said the same thing.

He said, I just wanted them to stay.

Right.

who were not.

I don't want them to have autonomy.

Like, Jeffrey Dahmer tried to create zombies.

dolls yeah which it's a similar it is similar pathology in a way because regardless of what it's a it's a different mechanism or pathway that they're taking to get there but either way they want to end with complete control control of the person right one of them is just trying to make it so that they're more um

animated animated there you go and then the then dennis is just saying well i'll just put them where i want to put them and right that's how i'll have control yeah i honestly unfortunately i think we would find more comparisons than contrasts i think so uh but in september 1981 dennis was returning home from work when he spotted 24 year old malcolm barlow

Like many of Dennis' victims, Barlow looked very young for his age, and he led a very difficult life.

Both of Malcolm's parents had died when he was young, and he was raised in a rotating selection of foster homes and residential facilities.

That's awful.

In addition to cognitive and developmental disorders, he also suffered from epilepsy, which he generally lacked the capacity and resources to manage without any help, which is so sad.

That's tough to manage with help.

Yeah.

Uh, he, he wasn't really able to maintain employment for very long.

So he would have to turn to sex work to get by a lot of times.