Elisabeth McKay

I don't know.

Somebody report back.

But the idea that you can quite literally advertise for a drug-induced experience like that means that naturally...

Other clinical environments are going to be like, oh, this is a great money-making pathway.

Then you have all these people like opening up ketamine therapy clinics because they want to make money and now you can advertise it and people want it because it's like, oh, cool, maybe this.

Then they're leading with curiosity.

Oh, maybe this thing.

And then you have a bunch of practitioners that are administering it that maybe have no business administering in the first place.

You see where this is snowballing.

So perhaps this was a clinician error, but I think the issue is much bigger than that because I've had many other clients also do ketamine therapy.

The one experience of ketamine that to me actually made sense, and still this is not something that makes sense to be repeated, would have been one client that I had where they were just in such a perpetual state of hypervigilance all the time, like insomnia, couldn't sleep.

Their body was revved so high all the time.

When they did their first round of ketamine therapy, they felt relaxed for the first time in many years, arguably because in the ketamine session, they couldn't be in that state of hypervigilance.

So it might have actually felt like the equivalent of the first time they got a good night's sleep.

Okay, cool.

I get that.

Is that treating a root cause?

Absolutely not.

Is ketamine in that way curing anything?

Is it treating anything?