Elisabeth McKay

It's just not the same as what we experience in our everyday sober lives.

That is why I call it the sticky web.

When people talk about astral projection, remote viewing, dream spaces, etc., or even from a Christian perspective, kind of battling in the spirit, oftentimes what we are talking about is that space in between.

And one of my biggest frustrations from a spiritual perspective about this,

medicine journeys is that you're not actually going high enough to be communing with actual God and I believe the parts of the spirit realm that you want to be interacting with.

You're actually subjecting yourself to quite a dark, confusing place and

And for what it's worth, I actually believe that is part of the reason that it has been put up on a pedestal and been made more normalized.

Because ultimately, I'm a firm believer that the powers that be that run the world that we live in today – and I will let you decide what that they group is –

want us confused and distracted and disoriented and thinking that we're trying to chase God or meet God while we're actually being trapped into a web of deception and communicating with perhaps entities and spirits that are not inherently good.

I remember early on in my career, somebody was like, who are your spirit guides?

Don't you know your spirit guides?

And I'm sure I probably came off like an a-hole at the time.

And like, perhaps I still do and that's okay.

But I remember being like, I don't have spirit guides.

And they're like, Busy, everybody has spirit guides.

And I'm like, well, I don't have spirit guides.

I only walk with God, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Like there's, I don't have spirit guides.

And people would be like, oh, well, you must have them.

You're just like choosing not to.