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Elizabeth Goitein

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
132 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Now, I think it's important to understand that the law in that case is a law that really had not been used previously in the way that President Trump had used it.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

I'm talking about the Illinois case, and also similarly in Los Angeles, in Portland, in Chicago.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Exactly, where he federalized the guard.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

He deployed the guard in Los Angeles.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

He didn't quite get to the point of deploying them in Portland and Chicago because he was blocked by the courts.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

But in all of these cases, he was relying on an obscure law.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Unfortunately, it doesn't have a catchy name like the Insurrection Act.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

So it's just 10 U.S.C.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

12406.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

And because that law had not been used previously in that way, there really was no case law.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Other courts had not had a chance to interpret this law.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

And so the Supreme Court was writing on a blank slate to some degree.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

And also that law is a little bit cryptic in some ways in terms of what level of sort of obstruction of the law is required in order to authorize federalization of the National Guard.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

And so I think if a majority of the Supreme Court had wanted that case to come out a particular way,

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Right.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

has been using the military domestically and the way the president views the role of the military inside the United States.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

And I think that discomfort might very well translate over into an Insurrection Act invocation.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

Well, first, I would say that whether or not you decide to go to war turns on whether or not you got the Nobel Peace Prize.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

That's a pretty good sign that you shouldn't have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.

Fresh Air
Are ICE Agents In Minneapolis Breaking The Law?

But as a matter of law,