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Elizabeth Jo

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99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So I don't know if you remember in 2023, Texas thought it would be a good idea to install a 1000 feet system of buoys.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

along the rio grande river these were do you not recall that at all yeah well this happened this was a giant buoy line they were connected by heavy chains and the buoys themselves were like four feet across so so large that you couldn't kind of climb over them and essentially this is to prevent people from crossing into the united states right by swimming across the river um

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

It's mostly symbolic because I said it was 1,000 feet, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And the Texas-Mexico border is like 1,200 miles or something like that.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So it was only covering a small portion.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Well, Governor Abbott relied in part on Article 4's protection clause, that the federal government had a responsibility to protect the state from invasion.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And the federal government wasn't fulfilling its obligations.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

This is during the Biden administration.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Of course, there's a huge problem with Abbott's argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Texas isn't actually being invaded by anybody.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So as soon as Texas implemented this barrier of floating buoys, the federal government actually sued Texas in federal court over this.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

But what happened actually is that the Biden administration did not actually โ€“

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

engage with the constitutional argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And instead they said that Texas was violating federal law about river control, navigable waters.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And the case is still ongoing.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I think you can kind of imagine why they didn't want to engage with the constitutional argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I mean, they did not want this to be answered in any way by the Supreme Court.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

You know, the possibility that a majority on the court might say something like, well, actually, maybe Texas can defend itself because I, you know, do you really want to live in a world where each state gets to decide that they're invaded and engage in some kind of self-defensive acts?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Right.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Yeah, it's sort of a free-floating metaphor for terrorizing people.