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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Mary Grace Baker, Margaret Bellows, Lila Bonner, Chloe Childress, Molly DeWitt, Lucy Dillon, Catherine Ferruzzo, Ellen Gutten, Hadley Hanna, Virginia Hollis, Janie Hunt, Mary Kate Jacoby, Laney Landry, Hannah Lawrence, Rebecca Lawrence, Twins,
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Kellyanne Lytle, Sarah Marsh, Linny McCown, who would be turning nine today, Blakely McCrory, Wynne Naylor, Eloise Lulu Peck, Abby Pohl, Margaret Sheedy, Vernay Shmaistula, Mary Stevens, Seal Stewart, and Greta Taranzo.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Those are the Heavens 27.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And they should still be here.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Their deaths were completely preventable.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
So if that's not a wake-up call to parents, to the camp industry, that we need to do better, I don't know what else it's going to take.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
We launched what's called the Campaign for Camp Safety.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And...
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
This is now under the No More Victims Alliance.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
So, you know, it's all camp negligence, right?
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Trey's Law can't put victims under NDAs.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
I mean, that camp I mentioned that had the cabin floating down the river, they've had a huge child sexual abuse problem.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
Camp Stewart, the brothers, Camp Mystic's all girls, Camp Stewart's a boys' camp.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
They, uh, I got a call from a victim's mom because they wanted to put her son under an NDA.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
I have a whole database of these camps that have child sexual abuse problems.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And I never thought, oh, as a mom, I should also ask, uh, do you sleep eight-year-olds in a floodway?
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And, um, so I started BeforeYouGoToCamp.com.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And it's for parents to know how to vet these organizations.
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
And it started out as just questions to ask to understand, do they have appropriate child sexual abuse prevention measures in place?
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#272 Elizabeth Phillips - Inside Camp Kanakuk: One of America’s Darkest Child Summer Camps
If they respond, we use the Kanakuk Child Protection Plan, big red flag.