Elizabeth Smart

But then also, I mean, I did grow up in a very conservative, very Christian community.

And there had always been a lot of emphasis put on remaining pure, remaining chaste, remaining a virgin until you get married.

So then it also brought this spiritual layer of disgrace and trauma and just feelings of worthlessness back.

To the feelings of worthlessness I already felt.

So, I mean, it was devastating.

And it made me genuinely feel that if my parents knew what had happened to me, that they wouldn't want me.

And they would just be like, well, as unfortunate as this is, you know, we had six kids.

That's a lot of kids.

Now we'll only have five.

And five kids, that's still a lot of kids.

Wow.

That's something that, this isn't for the episode, but that's something that I grew up in like a very religious home.

And it was so much of like your worth as a woman was like put around virginity and purity to your point.

And I don't know, like, is there do you think there's a different again?

I don't think this is for the episode, but do you think there's a different way that people in the community?

Because I think I think there's if people want to wait till marriage, if there is if there is like something pure and in waiting to make the choice to give that to someone.

I totally respect that.

I think that's beautiful.

But do you think there's a way in religion that almost we should talk about it differently?

That's not your whole value.