Elizabeth Smart

Wow, but that's so hard for me.

But I mean, I saw him during the trial.

Yeah.

Of course.

He just apologized so much.

But I think that also just goes to show what a master manipulator my captors were.

I mean, it was also really interesting during the trial, the prosecuting team like found so much stuff about him.

And it was interesting because the defense team even brought up a lot of stuff that the prosecution was like, we were thinking about bringing that up.

They were like, we don't need to, but this is just like another nail in the coffin, so why not?

And one of the things they brought up was a letter that Brian Mitchell had written.

I think it was to his mom or someone, but talking about what a good actor he was and how much he enjoyed acting and tricking people and convincing others of whatever he felt like.

Oh, my God.

I am well aware of it, but no.

I'm not sure that I even really believe in Stockholm Syndrome.

I feel like it's actually, as we just mentioned, fight, flight, freeze.

But I think there's another response, which is appease, which is basically, which I don't even like the word fawn because that makes it sound like you're flirty.

Oh, it makes it sound like you're fawning over someone, like you're flirting, like you're looking for attention.

That's true.

It does kind of sound like that.

But basically it's just doing whatever you have to do to survive.