Ella Al-Shamahi

It's that it was Homo sapiens females running off with Neanderthal males.

And that really makes me laugh because I'm like, even back then there was a precedent for liking a Neanderthal.

Have an image of like, because it would have been our grandmother.

If this is correct, it would have been our grandmother, right?

And I just have an image of her looking at the great grandmother being like, but mum, I love him.

I love him.

And it just being her and Uncle Bob at the wedding.

Yes, and it's so interesting because I think one of the things that I was really keen on with the series Human and just generally with my stuff generally when it comes to communicating science is that I think often the way we do paleoanthropology, it's quite...

emotionless, shall we say.

And I can't help but do emotion.

Some people might say it's because I'm Arab, I don't know.

But I come to it with emotion.

And it was really interesting because we had quite a lot of discussions with the BBC about this.

Because I think...

You know, they want to make sure that they're doing justice to the science.

And I came in very loudly and very strongly being like, we need to put the human back in human evolution.

I was like, we are doing a disservice to these species.

and our ancestors by portraying them as if they're devoid of emotion, because actually emotion is so central to being human, I would argue.

The magnitude, the gamut of emotion that we have is remarkable, right?

And the ability to articulate it.