Ella Al-Shamahi

You can't broadcast swearing.

Oh, nice.

Sorry, I've been cleaning up my language.

No, go for it.

Yeah, like you would be looking at these stratigraphic sequences and it was, you know, forgive my language, but it was a motherfucker because you were just like, right, we haven't gone from complex to simple.

By and large, we go from simple to complex or more complex.

and it was just a consistent pattern and it's very very hard to explain that

So then I was like, OK, theologically, the real, real issue is Adam and Eve.

Right.

So technically speaking, I can believe in evolution as long as it's not Adam and Eve, as long as it's not us.

We're the exception.

Right.

I can give a lot of ground.

All other species.

All the other billions.

Yeah.

And then what happened was I came across retrotransposons, which are very, very complicated to explain.

But basically, it's like a foreign organism's DNA within our own bodies.

The pattern of mutations...

within the retrotransposons that we have align on a family tree with what you would expect from evolution if you then looked at those same retrotransposons within chimps.