Ella Risbridger

And just mashed potato for you, because that was in your years when you were sad, just being like, I've got some microwave mashed potato and I'm going to eat it cold, you know, and roast potatoes, obviously.

And just rewatching that episode where Monica is trying so hard, it made me feel a great deal of tenderness to, because I would describe myself as, I was a Phoebe who was like, Monica is the way to be.

I was a Phoebe- Really?

Yeah.

I really identified with Monica's need for things to be perfect.

I never identified with Rachel, obviously.

But Phoebe, I identified very strongly with her scattiness.

And then in my early 20s, I was just like, if I can just keep a tight enough handle on absolutely everything-

everything will be perfect.

And I tried really hard to have like a perfect house and to make it all nice and to, you know, always be baking something, even though I was 21 and could have been in a club.

I could have had my top off the whole time.

If you're 21 and listening to this, just take your top off.

Certainly.

And I think it's very telling that every single article about that cookbook was like, she's incredibly young.

I know you thought she was 40, but she's not.

She's 25.

And guess what?

Widowed.

Crazy, hey?

But it is funny, isn't it?