Ella Yerman

Yeah, I just want to second what Lex has been saying. I think the work Teen Vogue has been doing is really important. So many... Garrison, you know so much trans media is independently distributed and DIY, and I love us for that, but it is always really heartening to see mainstream media institutions uplift trans voices the way Teen Vogue has been doing.

Yeah, I mean, I think Vivian, one of the things that drew me to the story in the first place is that Vivian's sort of case is such an interesting microcosm of the transphobia experience as a whole. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think Vivian, one of the things that drew me to the story in the first place is that Vivian's sort of case is such an interesting microcosm of the transphobia experience as a whole. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think Vivian, one of the things that drew me to the story in the first place is that Vivian's sort of case is such an interesting microcosm of the transphobia experience as a whole. Yeah.

She's incredibly talked about for something that is not her fault and not under her control at all, in the same way that right now on the national stage, like, transfemininity, and transness at large, but specifically transfemininity, is... the problem to be spoken about, especially by conservatives. Butler calls it a phantasm, the gender nonsense. I read that book.

She's incredibly talked about for something that is not her fault and not under her control at all, in the same way that right now on the national stage, like, transfemininity, and transness at large, but specifically transfemininity, is... the problem to be spoken about, especially by conservatives. Butler calls it a phantasm, the gender nonsense. I read that book.

She's incredibly talked about for something that is not her fault and not under her control at all, in the same way that right now on the national stage, like, transfemininity, and transness at large, but specifically transfemininity, is... the problem to be spoken about, especially by conservatives. Butler calls it a phantasm, the gender nonsense. I read that book.

I'm almost certain I do. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Almost certainly. That's The Trouble with Gender, right? Gender Trouble, yeah. No, that's the original book. It's Who's Afraid of Gender.

I'm almost certain I do. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Almost certainly. That's The Trouble with Gender, right? Gender Trouble, yeah. No, that's the original book. It's Who's Afraid of Gender.

I'm almost certain I do. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Almost certainly. That's The Trouble with Gender, right? Gender Trouble, yeah. No, that's the original book. It's Who's Afraid of Gender.

Thank you very much. I have your book, but I haven't looked at it in a long time, except for to remember the word phantasm. And so, yeah, I totally agree with what Lex said. It's really exciting to sort of take her out of being used as a prop and give her own voice back. I think one of the most exciting moments in the piece to me is...

Thank you very much. I have your book, but I haven't looked at it in a long time, except for to remember the word phantasm. And so, yeah, I totally agree with what Lex said. It's really exciting to sort of take her out of being used as a prop and give her own voice back. I think one of the most exciting moments in the piece to me is...

Thank you very much. I have your book, but I haven't looked at it in a long time, except for to remember the word phantasm. And so, yeah, I totally agree with what Lex said. It's really exciting to sort of take her out of being used as a prop and give her own voice back. I think one of the most exciting moments in the piece to me is...

The moment where I ask her about sort of the allegations that Ilan like shifted rightward because of her. And she pushes back against sort of that narrative very strongly. And I think that is the way we've seen her being used both on the left and the right as sort of a this is why he's doing this. It's clearly the fact that he has this 20 year old trans girl.

The moment where I ask her about sort of the allegations that Ilan like shifted rightward because of her. And she pushes back against sort of that narrative very strongly. And I think that is the way we've seen her being used both on the left and the right as sort of a this is why he's doing this. It's clearly the fact that he has this 20 year old trans girl.

The moment where I ask her about sort of the allegations that Ilan like shifted rightward because of her. And she pushes back against sort of that narrative very strongly. And I think that is the way we've seen her being used both on the left and the right as sort of a this is why he's doing this. It's clearly the fact that he has this 20 year old trans girl.

And she's like, actually, that's a crazy thing to say about it, about a 20 year old.

And she's like, actually, that's a crazy thing to say about it, about a 20 year old.

And she's like, actually, that's a crazy thing to say about it, about a 20 year old.

I will say, I think, yeah, I think it's so important that that's talked about, and I'm glad she did. I'm also really glad, as someone who covers trans politics and news all the time, it was such a breath of fresh air to be able to frame this piece as a look into what the joy of transition looks like, and looking at how her transition has brought her closer to the life she wants to be living.