Elliott Williams

I'm showing my age by the fact that I look like a cadaver when I don't have TV makeup on.

That's how I show my age, Don.

You know, there's an expression for that.

It's independent journalists don't crack.

So that might be what people are saying.

Assistant director.

So I was one of a bunch of folks helping to run the agency, yeah.

Yeah, that's such a complicated question, Don, because ICE is always going to be radioactive.

Just the very nature of immigration enforcement really is troubling to many people.

And within the world of law enforcement, it's a particularly tough place, right?

Now, even when I was there,

ICE was controversial.

And I remember for the first two years that I was there, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.

And they were the biggest critics of ICE and even critics of Obama's ICE.

You've heard about the term deporter in chief and going after meatpacking plants and so on, which changed over the years that I was there.

So, yes, ICE has always been controversial and radioactive.

that said my friend this is not what i remember and it certainly is not the way it was carried out both in terms of the level of transparency that that ice has like a window into what exactly are they doing number one and number two just the math don just do the math the president was clear and god bless him for it he told america what he was going to do on immigration enforcement and said you know we want to have the most robust deportation effort in history

We, you know, we're going to remove a million people from the country.

Okay, fine.

If he wants to do that, that's a political choice that he's free to make and his supporters are free to make.