Ellis Jones

I call it a therapy cult.

Well, I know you were associated with that.

Yeah, yeah.

So...

I developed – like I have this saying that's in some of my songs and my books is the rules aren't meant to be broken.

They're meant to break people.

And that goes for social enforcement mechanisms.

I mean how many scenes do you know where it's like a faux pas?

In surfing and in skating, we have like what I call kuklau.

There's these unwritten rules of the culture that if you violate them, you're a kook.

You're not really part of this.

And it's just that exclusionary kind of shit.

All it does is trigger me for this kind of manipulative control situation that I was in in a cult in a third world country.

And I also developed a different tier to the chip on my shoulder after that where I was like, every authority figure has failed me.

Every family member has failed me, and this world will grab a hold of you, kidnap you in the middle of the night, and do whatever it wants to you.

So after I got out of there, when I was not received well by my family or my neighborhood, there were kids in my neighborhood who didn't even believe that it happened.

I would have to bring my brother out and be like, tell them.

And then they're like, okay, we believe you.

They just thought I was a liar.

Like, maybe I went to go live with a family member or something.