Emily Bazelon

And then I think the tariffs have been kind of all over the place.

You know, they've gone up and down.

They've been slapdash.

We're waiting for the Supreme Court to decide whether they can remain.

But until they're gone, they have also, you know, had a real impact in terms of America's place in the world.

One thing I think about and wrestle with is a clever move that the Trump administration has made is that the group of people who are other in our scenario right now are undocumented immigrants to start with, and they don't have the same rights as Americans.

Right.

Like it is true that they are subject to deportation.

And so I feel like that was the kind of the crack, the way in to this dual state.

And now we're at the point where it's yes, it's the undocumented immigrants.

And there is a lot of injustice going on in how they are being subject to the force of deportation and detention through ICE.

But then there's also everybody else who might try to ally with them or help them.

And so, you know, Renee Good has obviously paid the price of her life.

Then there are the protesters who are also subject to harassment, sometimes violence, lawbreaking.

Then if you take another step back, there are parts of civil society like universities or law firms.

that might ordinarily try to defend and protect people in these positions.

And they're also getting a very clear message that's supposed to chill all of that kind of speech and activism, right?

So by being so clear that Renee Goode is

immediately an enemy of the state in Trump's eyes.

As soon as she is, you know, parking her car in some way that gets in ICE's way, Trump talked about the idea she'd been disrespectful as if that justified her death, which, of course, doesn't make any sense.