Emily Jashinsky

And there's been some fascinating reporting. that basically the paranoia inside the Pentagon about leakers and about people who are trying to subvert Pete Hegseth and the Trump administration is so strong that Pete's own inner circle is turning on itself because they're paranoid about who's leaking and who's not leaking.

And so the drop site story about what happened behind the scenes here is that someone who was trying not to leak, Colin, who was trying not to leak, this came out like last week, ends up being accused of leaking when trying to avoid looking like he's leaking. And it's because Casper and probably Hegseth himself are- That's the chief of staff repeat, Joe Casper. Yeah.

And so the drop site story about what happened behind the scenes here is that someone who was trying not to leak, Colin, who was trying not to leak, this came out like last week, ends up being accused of leaking when trying to avoid looking like he's leaking. And it's because Casper and probably Hegseth himself are- That's the chief of staff repeat, Joe Casper. Yeah.

And so the drop site story about what happened behind the scenes here is that someone who was trying not to leak, Colin, who was trying not to leak, this came out like last week, ends up being accused of leaking when trying to avoid looking like he's leaking. And it's because Casper and probably Hegseth himself are- That's the chief of staff repeat, Joe Casper. Yeah.

And they are rightfully was right. But they are correct that they're absolutely correct to be paranoid because everybody is out to get them. So they're in this impossible situation where they're trying to implement dramatic reforms of a corrupt institution and the corrupt institution is fighting back. And in that situation, it's very difficult.

And they are rightfully was right. But they are correct that they're absolutely correct to be paranoid because everybody is out to get them. So they're in this impossible situation where they're trying to implement dramatic reforms of a corrupt institution and the corrupt institution is fighting back. And in that situation, it's very difficult.

And they are rightfully was right. But they are correct that they're absolutely correct to be paranoid because everybody is out to get them. So they're in this impossible situation where they're trying to implement dramatic reforms of a corrupt institution and the corrupt institution is fighting back. And in that situation, it's very difficult.

to not end up getting defeated by the institution because it's extremely powerful. And you're this like team that's coming in and trying to, quote, like drain the swamp. So I feel like that's what's happening here. And it is a really sad story. And I thought your interview brought that side of it out.

to not end up getting defeated by the institution because it's extremely powerful. And you're this like team that's coming in and trying to, quote, like drain the swamp. So I feel like that's what's happening here. And it is a really sad story. And I thought your interview brought that side of it out.

to not end up getting defeated by the institution because it's extremely powerful. And you're this like team that's coming in and trying to, quote, like drain the swamp. So I feel like that's what's happening here. And it is a really sad story. And I thought your interview brought that side of it out.

Well, I was just going to say, I mean, from what we know, Collins seems to have actually been trying to be loyal. And that's what's frustrating to him and to Caldwell is that they were actually like he got the call from Dan Lippman of Politico and tried to do the right thing and work it up the chain and still ended up getting booted and then smeared in the public. And so I guess I

Well, I was just going to say, I mean, from what we know, Collins seems to have actually been trying to be loyal. And that's what's frustrating to him and to Caldwell is that they were actually like he got the call from Dan Lippman of Politico and tried to do the right thing and work it up the chain and still ended up getting booted and then smeared in the public. And so I guess I

Well, I was just going to say, I mean, from what we know, Collins seems to have actually been trying to be loyal. And that's what's frustrating to him and to Caldwell is that they were actually like he got the call from Dan Lippman of Politico and tried to do the right thing and work it up the chain and still ended up getting booted and then smeared in the public. And so I guess I

I'm a little bit more sympathetic to them afterwards coming out and explaining what happened because they're making this case that it's important for the public to know about the mess that's happening behind closed doors.

I'm a little bit more sympathetic to them afterwards coming out and explaining what happened because they're making this case that it's important for the public to know about the mess that's happening behind closed doors.

I'm a little bit more sympathetic to them afterwards coming out and explaining what happened because they're making this case that it's important for the public to know about the mess that's happening behind closed doors.

Well, yeah, right. But they're saying that you should know why. Yeah, I don't think that's true.

Well, yeah, right. But they're saying that you should know why. Yeah, I don't think that's true.

Well, yeah, right. But they're saying that you should know why. Yeah, I don't think that's true.

Like, what are you guys going to do up in space? What are you doing up there? I mean, it's by the way, they're going for 11 minutes. They're going for 11 minutes. They're going up. I think they're going to float around a little. So you're on, like, Magic Mountain. Like, you're just going up. Space Mountain. More appropriately, Space Mountain.