Emily Jashinsky

This was in late October, Charles.

And I wonder if you could speak to also, as you were researching this book, I imagine you did this over the course of a while.

And I'm curious also though, if you noticed

that the pinkers of the world are less and less as we go forward, that as some of this evidence presents itself or, I mean, not presents itself, that's like passive tense, but as people discover new and new evidence that the pinker religious commitment to being against religion, is it fading?

What is, and the book obviously addresses this, what was it for you?

I mean, you talk about the C.S.

Lewis trilemma that Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic, or the son of God.

Was that question what separated, and you write a lot about Buddhism,

Christianity from other religions for you?

I mean, I think you also write about how you sense that they're all kind of directionally maybe rooted in the same thing.

Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

That's so fascinating.

Well, last question, Charles.

I remember when Charlie Kirk's memorial happened, some folks in media had very interesting reactions.

And I'm paraphrasing, and I forget who posted this, but it was someone saying, I would feel more comfortable.

Oh, you know what?

It was Thomas Chatterton Williams, who I like, who said something like, I would feel more comfortable at, you know, a European something something than at this event in my own country.

that there was something so culturally alien to Thomas Chatterton Williams about that giant revival with Christian rock and the like.

And that is totally fair.

And that's kind of what you write about in Coming Apart.