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And reading your piece, you know, it sounded like even doctors who were performing these preventative surgeries had mixed feelings because there is a 100% chance that their patients are going to have some kind of side effects or complications.

So what do you make of where we're at with medicine right now that these are the choices people face?

As for Karen, how's she feeling about getting her stomach out?

Wow.

Sarah Zhang for The Atlantic, thank you so much for talking to me about this family and the contributions of the Maori people to cancer research and what it's like to live without a stomach.

Super interesting.

Yeah, thank you.

It was great talking to you.

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