Emily Kwong

It's so good to be here.

I'm so excited to talk to you because you just got back from COP30, the UN Climate Change Conference in Belém, Brazil, at the edge of the Amazon rainforest.

How was it?

Oh, man.

Today on the show, what almost didn't happen at the climate conference in Brazil.

Will this announcement happen?

Will it not happen?

Stay with us.

That would be a lovely idea.

Thank you.

You're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

Okay, Julia, so before we talk about whether this announcement happens or not, what was on the table at this year's UN Climate Conference called COP30?

Burning coal, oil, and natural gas is the single biggest driver of global warming.

Exactly.

I imagine that's really frustrating for so many countries who come to this conference.

Okay, this is fascinating that this new conference has emerged.

Yeah.

I got to ask though, why not just bring this to COP?

I mean, COP is the place where the world...

came together around the Paris Agreement, around 190 countries agreed to try to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius.